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chris Posted at 2006/10/01 10:45pm reply to

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NOTE ADDED AFTER POSTING:  
MY COMPLAINING MIGHT BE PROVEN WRONG LATER IN THE THREAD SO MY APOLOGIES TO THAI TARA IF THIS IS THE CASE.  

we know the thai restaurants in town buy prepared curry paste and almost no curry pastes are vegan.  even dishes that aren't "soupy" curries often use paste, like my favorite Pad Prik King.

several of us have asked the waitstaff to check the container and they almost always say there's no animal products.  despite hearing what i want to hear, i never feel completely comfortable eating the dishes.  

so i just saw page 34 in the Vol. 3 Issue 1 of "Eat And Drink Austin" magazine a special where chefs give the readers one of their restaurant's best recipes.  Thai Tara's chef gave a green curry recipe, and actually said which brand they use:  Maesri.  I've asked about their green curry, red curry, masaman, and pad prik king and they've said they went to look at the container and it always came back "vegan-safe".  
now check these ingredients for Maesri green curry and masaman curry pastes:

http://www.dietfacts.com/html/nutrition-facts/maesri-masaman-curry-soup-that-special-indian-curry-strong-ingredients-of-spicy-natural-herbs41399.htm

http://www.templeofthai.com/food/curry_paste/green-2120031111.php

this probably isn't really news, but if you eat at a thai restaurant, chances are you're eating shrimp paste or fish sauce regardless of what anyone tells us.
Ross Posted at 2006/10/01 11:10pm reply to

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ah geez...
Ross Posted at 2006/10/01 11:12pm reply to

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::sigh::

well, i guess maybe you have something to confront them with that's concrete now. print out the eat and drink austin article, print out the label from the maesri curry paste, and ask them if that's what they use, and if so that it's not vegetarian.

is it time to round the v-po-po?
chris Posted at 2006/10/01 11:32pm reply to

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i don't know.  maybe i'll get a second wind later, but i'm tired of being the vegan police every time i go to asian restaurants and then never really believing them.  i just need to make my own paste and keep it in the fridge for whenever i get a craving for thai food.  if i figure out a great recipe, i'll post it or just share the paste with anyone interested.

but in general i'm kinda down on all the restaurants around here right now.  i'm gonna have to go visit my sis later this month in nyc.  pukk, here i come!

http://www.pukknyc.com/
Ross Posted at 2006/10/02 8:30am reply to

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watch, i bet pukk uses maesri. haha
chris Posted at 2006/10/02 11:04am reply to

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your mom uses maesri.

that should be our new general insult.   but i trust any restaurant with a hologram light bulb in their futuristic bathroom and a postcard like this:

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Ross Posted at 2006/10/02 11:09am reply to

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it's all an illusion chris. they're faking you out.

actually they just assumed that the curry paste was cool, like you assumed that it was cool since they use it.
chris Posted at 2006/10/02 11:24am reply to

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well i'm still a believer.  pukk is the opiate of the east village masses.

but what about all these local mofo's?  are you still gonna eat at thai passion and thai kitchen and such?

p.s.  I saw an shameless ad masquerading as an "our deepest sympathies" note for Thai Kitchen.  it had a picture of Ann Richards saying it was her favorite restaurant!
Ross Posted at 2006/10/02 11:32am reply to

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i dunno...maybe we should form the inquisition. and come up with some vegetarian resource group name, come in with papers and stuff and citations and ask to see their ingredients list.
chris Posted at 2006/10/02 12:43pm reply to

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we could form the Committee of Vegan Safety and send them to the guillotine if they use shrimp paste.
but if we really do that semi-professional-looking thing we'd talked about where we go to each restaurant and ask to talk to the manager and look at ingredients, i'd rather just make phone calls at first to set it all up.
Ross Posted at 2006/10/02 5:29pm reply to

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that sounds fair. ok let's talk about details off the board
Gabriel Posted at 2006/10/02 9:09pm reply to

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Chris-

Your points about the sketchiness of Asian/Thai food from restaurants from a vegan standpoint are definitely valid.  In fact, I plan on making a separate post about this.  However, the Maesri curry pastes listed are vegan.  How do I know?  I have some cans of the pastes right here.  Your first link is for a curry soup, not a curry paste.  I have the curry paste here and it only lists vegan ingredients with percentages of each.  The other link has similar ingredients to what is in the green curry paste.  However, the order is different and mine lists the percentages.  There is no shrimp paste listed, and the percentages add up to 100%.  I'm inclined to believe the can, since the ingredients on the website are put there by retailer and not the manufacturer.  So, these curry pastes are in fact vegan.  I can't speak for the rest of the ingredients used in their kitchen however, so I would still do more detective work if you want to ascertain the vegan-ness of these places.
Jacob Posted at 2006/10/02 10:39pm reply to

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chris Posted at 2006/10/02 10:58pm reply to

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jacob, why does your cop have cleavage?
chris Posted at 2006/10/02 11:03pm reply to

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gabriel,
that's nice to hear so my apologies to Thai Tara.  i'd still like to see the actual container at the restaurants.
but after my experience at the asian market (buying products that clearly had ingredients on the inside that weren't listed on the outside), i've grown so mistrustful.  plus the last time i cooked up some thai curry paste form the asian market that didn't list shrimp paste, it smelled so fishy that i couldn't eat it.
anyway, some good news on the curry paste front:  the "Thai Kitchen" brand of green and red pastes say VEGAN on the packaging.  but there are so many more types of curry paste i'd like to eat...
Jacob Posted at 2006/10/03 7:28pm reply to

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>jacob, why does your cop have cleavage?

Don't all the best cops have cleavage?  btw, that picture I made by gimping this picture.
jeff Posted at 2006/10/24 11:23pm reply to

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>after my experience at the asian market (buying products that clearly had ingredients on the inside that weren't listed on the outside), i've grown so mistrustful

Hey Chris, what should I look out for at the Asian market?  We have gotten some stuff there that all seems okay, but I do want to know if some of it is sketchy.

By the way, we will be back in NYC for the holidays staying a few blocks from Pukk!  We used to live right around the corner.  excited  < Note Pukk postcard face.
chris Posted at 2006/10/24 11:54pm reply to

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jeff, the straw that broke the vegan camel's back at the asian market was a rice/coconut/banana dessert that listed like 5 ingredients.  when i opened it there were red beans an other things not listed.  nothing obviously not vegan, but it just means that the imports they get can be sketchy.  plus, it's where i got the curry paste with vegan-sounding ingredients but with a super-fishy smell.
that's badass what you did to the smiley face.  i just ran into another friend who's going to pukk next week!  where's the emoticon for jealousy?
jen Posted at 2006/10/25 8:10am reply to

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yeah i've had the same problem at the asian market on lamar.  i got a noodle soup that did not list fish in the broth, but it sure smelled like it did.  i couldn't eat it either, which i hate because then i feel like the animal died in vain.  i do still love the asian market for produce and tofu.  any reasons i should beware of those? (ps i love having vegans to turn to for opinions and info!)
jeff Posted at 2006/10/25 10:29pm reply to

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>jeff, the straw that broke the vegan camel's back at the asian market was a rice/coconut/banana dessert that listed like 5 ingredients.  when i opened it there were red beans an other things not listed.  nothing obviously not vegan, but it just means that the imports they get can be sketchy.  plus, it's where i got the curry paste with vegan-sounding ingredients but with a super-fishy smell.
>that's badass what you did to the smiley face.  i just ran into another friend who's going to pukk next week!  where's the emoticon for jealousy?

Thanks Chris.  I will avoid those things.  The packaged mock meats are all we've gotten there and they seem legit so far.  I can't take credit for that Pukk-style emoticon, the green thing in teeth just shows up when you type colon followed by capital D!  Kudos to Jacob or whomever designed it.

  
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