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peter Posted at 2006/09/12 12:57am reply to

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Lea and I have two cats that we originally tried feeding vegan cat food. Long story short, some cats are fine while other cats will extra time or attention. Some other cats may even eject it outright, and my cat Savannah sadly belongs to this third category. While Neil basically eats anything put in front of him and thrives off it, we tried everything under the sun, and the only thing she keeps down is this venison-based limited-ingredient kibble. We think she's allergic to grain and soy.

I don't like feeding them meat at all, so keep me and the rest of us posted with Cricket's progress.

I recommend the short book by the vegancats.com co-owner, Jed Gillen, called "Obligate Carnivore". Not a perfect book by any means, but worth a read nevertheless. Good luck with Cricket!

Off subject rhetoric question: why am I continuing to post here when I live 225 miles away?
Ross Posted at 2006/09/12 7:34am reply to

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because the discussions aren't limited to austin happy and because there aren't all the vegans to talk to in galveston?

anyway, no prob heidi! i hope cricket does well, i know mark and carrie were feeding their cats vegan for a while. they used a mixture that included tofu in addition to this cat mix they bought(i believe), but they're not doing it anymore as they weren't certain the cats were doing well on it...i'll let them elaborate if either sees this thread and wants to add.
kaylawayla Posted at 2006/09/13 10:38am reply to

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(Our dogs eat organic kibble that has some animal products in it)but we feed them no other meat of course since we have none in our house.  I just love that they think veggies and tofu are delicious treats to fight over happy

Our doggies have extremely sensitive tummies...most small dogs do in my experience.  Our kiddos deal with food changes very horribly and I used to come home to throw up on our floors on a daily basis when I tried to put Charlie on a vegetarian diet.  Now we supplement their kibble as much as possible with greens, carrots (they love carrots!), squash, tofu, seitan, vegan "lunch meat" etc.

Good luck Heidi!

mattabo71 Posted at 2006/09/13 4:36pm reply to

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THIS is the vegan kibble that Tabo eats -- and he LOVES it!
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jen Posted at 2006/10/17 10:03pm reply to

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this thread takes me back 6 years ago when i tried making my own vegan cat kibble.  it was SO hard i was almost a little happy (sorry) when the cat stuck her nose up at it.  this garbanzo/seitan recipe...is it easy to make?  do you sprinkle supplements on the food for taurine?

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jen Posted at 2006/10/17 10:24pm reply to

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thanks for the info.  i will definitely have to try this.
peter Posted at 2006/10/17 10:26pm reply to

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Vegecat homemade kibble was a pain indeed. My cats started off on the Evolution kibble, and again, Neil gobbled it up and was fine while Savannah tossed her cookies. I recommend it, but you might want to supplement it with wet food. Dry kibble, especially vegan kibble, could lead to urinary tract issues.
jen Posted at 2006/10/18 8:41am reply to

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yeah i just remember trying to cut the kibble into little pieces and breaking my knife.  i was right out of college at that point and didn't have the nicest kitchen utensils yet.  while i was cutting it i remember secretly thinking, "i hope she hates it, cause i can't make this shit again!"  since then i've been feeding her california natural, which isn't vegetarian, but does have a good ethic (i.e. they won't sell to petco/petsmart for several reasons and they do not perform any animal testing).  the dog however had a terrible reaction to the california natural and i've been afraid to feed him anything like that since.  the poor puppers had to get cortizone shots and stuff his paw was so swollen.  so he's been eating nutro, which doesn't have the best ethic, but is a lesser evil then say purina.
peter Posted at 2006/10/18 12:53pm reply to

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Unless your dog is supersensitve, you should try putting him on a vegan diet, like the kibble Matt mentioned above. Canines are omnivores like us and should transition a whole lot easier than felines. It shouldn't be that difficult at all.
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yeah, i get this gut feeling it was the high percentage of rice/grains in the california natural that he was allergic to, but i have nothing to back this up with besides a mother's intuition.  i guess i've just been afraid to go through that again with him...it was a pretty pricey little incident and he got pretty sick.

when i got him he was eating really crappy crappy food and i wonder if somehow he was conditioned to the crap? (is that even possible?)  he had a tough start on life (he's was a mangy ditch dog) and he's still traumatized to this day (he's afraid of humans) and the rescue place that saved his life wasn't the wealthiest rescue mission and fed them any free food that large companies like purina provided for them.  

anyway, on that note...anyone have a large dog and like to go to bull creek?  although my dog is afraid of humans, he LOVES big dogs.  our good park buddy moved to houston and we haven't found a replacement friend to go walking with.  we go alone, but the gman is much happier when he has a buddy to go with.  and it is really good for him to be out with people even if he doesn't think sohappy
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p.s. i love reading about everyone's passion and commitment to the vegan lifestyle.  sometimes i feel like the only one out there cutting kibble with a knife.  i had a really great group of vegan friends back in college, but over the past few years, being vegan on my own has made me a bit of a lazy vegan i guess you can say.  i'm at the point now where i've been pretty lazy about the tiny things like enzymes and that stuff.  anyway, you all are a great motivation to me!  i really needed it!  
Gabriel Posted at 2006/10/23 11:00am reply to

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Heidi brought over some AMI kibble this weekend, and my kitty Sky loved it!  I actually have had some experience in the past with trying to make my cats vegan.  In the early '90s, I used Vegecat and had mixed results.  I did manage for around two years.  I will need to write an article about my experience.  I agree with Pete that some cats thrive while others don't, but I think that over time we will figure out the gaps that exist.  In transitioning, you should vigilantly watch your cats and monitor their eating habits and overall health.  If a cat stops eating, you must address that issue right away.  Cats that don't eat for a certain period of time go into liver failure, so it's important to not have the attitude that if there's nothing else they'll eventually eat it.  They might not, and it could be a matter of life and death.  This is not to scare off any one from trying this.  It is just a cautionary note.  I am very open to this and would love for our carnivorous friends to live happy and healthy lives without animal products.  AMI seems to be top quality and is being used at some of the panjarapols (animal shelters) in India.  I would like to see a wet version as well.

One thing that I noticed when looking at Heidi's bag of AMI cat food was that it had Vitamin D3.  Upon further investigation, we found out that it is a synthetic, non-animal version of D3.  The Italian researcher who developed this product appears to have done a very good job.

http://ami.aminews.net/?lang=en

Their logo is super cute!!!
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peter Posted at 2006/10/23 10:51pm reply to

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Vegan vitamin D3? Weird, in a good way.
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kimchee Posted at 2007/04/04 1:38am reply to

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AMI sounds wonderful!  my folks go to Italy 1-2x a year; maybe i can convince them to ship some home for my beebees to try.  
Ross Posted at 2007/04/04 8:16am reply to

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what about just telling a vet that you give her "organic" food and that you want to get a nutrition analysis?
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