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1st Vegan Tour De France racer
NosajMoore Posted at 2011/06/29 1:35pm reply to

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Josh xvx Topic Posted at 2011/06/29 2:06pm reply to

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It's cool he's going to eat mostly vegan for it. Sucks that he's throwing salmon in there for a bit though. I knew it was a really tough race but I didn't realize that they burn 8000 calories a day. That is crazy!
Brian Posted at 2011/06/29 3:18pm reply to

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Demote me to a level 4 vegan if you like, but I think it's incredible what Zabriskie has been able to accomplish of late and his plan to stay primarily vegan in the TdF.  His recent performances have been awesome - I can only think of the coverage this would get if he's able to win a stage or hold on to the yellow jersey for a day!
weigand Posted at 2011/06/29 4:18pm reply to

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This is kind of a lame reason to go vegan, though: "But at the beginning of last season, his team's chiropractor gave him a blood test that screened his sensitivity to certain types of foods. The chiropractor, Matt Rabin, told Zabriskie he had the highest sensitivity to food on the team. Another blood test showed Zabriskie had the highest inflammation of his muscles."

Food allergy / sensitivity analysis is something that people in alternative medicines do to scare people into paying for more of their treatment. It's not based on scientific, medically accurate analysis. It's quack stuff. I even have friends who have done it, and they come back with a giant list of foods they supposedly shouldn't eat.

Chiropracty is alternative medicine, by the way. And it's not uncommon for chiropractic doctors to be peddling quack stuff like this.

I suppose I should be happy that he at least went vegan. But I'm more shocked that someone can be so misled by alternative medicine as to potentially jeopardize their athletic career. Not that I'm saying a vegan diet would do that. It's just that he's doing something that his entire field says not to do, and he's doing it based on faulty information.

The article goes on to say: "He's won more time trials this year than he has in his career," Vaughters says. "The proof is in the pudding."

That's really cool. It's going to make people reassess their prejudices about vegan diets.

To me, it's kind of surprising that we're not seeing endurance athletes eating vegan diets more often. It seems that a vegan diet does improve in those sports which require endurance / stamina. I see it everywhere.

- Steve
NosajMoore Posted at 2011/06/29 7:16pm reply to

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There's also a small movement in the MMA culture. If guys in that testosterone driven sport can do it, everyone loses their excuse. Expect maybe Kobiashi.
weigand Posted at 2011/06/29 10:47pm reply to

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Yeah, I was going to mention that about MMA. My favorite is Mac Danzig. But he's not doing so good these days. I just really like the way that guy thinks about stuff. Jake Shields is doing pretty well, though his fights aren't generally very interesting to me for some reason. And I'm not sure if Jon Fitch is still a vegan.

MMA is definitely an endurance sport. It's also a sport where power is a big factor, which means muscle building (for power, not bulk). Creatine is also a big concern there for vegans. These issues, I believe, can be overcome by eating a lot more and supplementing with creatine and various amino acids. It can be done.

- Steve
NosajMoore Posted at 2011/07/11 3:11pm reply to

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If you haven't been following, we won't find out how well a vegan rides the Tour. He crashed and broke his wrist. Hopefully he can come back for the Vuelta.
Jessica. Posted at 2011/07/11 3:21pm reply to

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"pescatarian" isn't the same as vegan, no matter how little fish one eats.

I'm not trying to incite a big discussion here, but it's very irritating to me when people say they're vegan but they actually eat fish, or eggs, or whatever.

Those two days a week that he eats dead salmon flesh are what makes him a pescatarian.
weigand Posted at 2011/07/11 9:01pm reply to

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Yeah, that's too bad he crashed and broke his wrist. I had not been following the story.

- Steve
Josh xvx Topic Posted at 2011/07/12 1:03pm reply to

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>"pescatarian" isn't the same as vegan, no matter how little fish one eats.
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>I'm not trying to incite a big discussion here, but it's very irritating to me when people say they're vegan but they actually eat fish, or eggs, or whatever.
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>Those two days a week that he eats dead salmon flesh are what makes him a pescatarian.

thank you. agreed 100%
noahswords Posted at 2011/07/21 9:40am reply to

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jon fitch, jake shields, mac danzig? i'm glad there's a vegan movement in mma but i wish the people involved weren't so spectacularly boring. but then again the sport is in this weird era where people have figured out what works and everyone pretty much has the same style and even the same body. sorry to bro out yall!
weigand Posted at 2011/07/21 12:02pm reply to

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Well as an MMA fan and martial arts practitioner myself, I disagree with the assessment that most MMA people have the same style. It's true that you're not going to see something akin to "snake style kung-fu" in the MMA ring. But that's because those stylistic artists simply can't rise to the level of competition these days. It was only in the early days of UFC 1-10 when we got to see those kinds of styles, and they failed in a major way. Time marches on, and even the winners of those early UFC's wouldn't have a chance in modern MMA competition nowadays.

It's an evolution. We went from seeing people who were good at ground fighting only to seeing people start to use stand-up fighting better. Because, once they got good at the ground, they could figure out how to avoid going to the ground. The importance of cardio endurance is also very apparent these days.

And we're now seeing a revival of traditional / classical martial arts techniques gradually make their way into the MMA arsenal. That's exciting for me personally, having grown up studying classical martial arts. Little by little some of the knowledge and strategy of classical / traditional martial arts is trickling its way up into MMA. For example, Lyoto Machida's karate style, or Anderson Silva's "front kick". The reason for this revival is that now the fighters are getting so good that they can begin to add more nuanced, traditional techniques. It's exciting to watch the progression over time.

- Steve
Iron Clad Ben Posted at 2011/07/28 4:24pm reply to

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Great post by vegan cyclist Harley Johnstone aka Durianrider on why the whole salmon thing is total BS:

http://durianrider.org/2011/07/27/david-zabriskie-needs-to-eat-fish-to-get-enough-iron/
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