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who wants to be a STRONG vegan?
bpmojo Posted at 2010/03/07 12:49pm reply to

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I am interested in forming a group to take private group Crossfit lessons and now have the final details. Even if you are only able to make it 2x/week this is still a screaming deal.

$50/month
no contacts
3x/week
T, Th @ 7PM, Sat @ 8:45AM
45 minute classes
classes @ http://www.fitandfearless.com/

Please let me ASAP if you are interested ASAP as I'd like to start next week or the week after and want to get a full group of 12 lined up first.. Feel free to call/email me with any questions.

Cheers,
Benjamin
281-467-3514
benjaminspalmer@gmail.com


what is crossfit?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjdQZxTIj1U


weigand Posted at 2010/03/07 3:13pm reply to

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I'm no expert at Crossfit, but I have some exposure to it and have talked with people and read about it. Just wanted to chime in what I think about it.

It should be noted that the Crossfit culture (cult-ure, hehe) almost always promotes and insists upon the Paleo diet, which emphasizes meat as the bulk of their caloric intake. They tell you that you won't amount to anything without going Paleo, and they even push people into going to support group meetings where they are told to keep detailed notes on what they ate over the week and talk about how they slipped up and ate a cookie or something. It's done to shame them into keeping to their diets.

The Paleo diet is pretty well debunked scientifically, but they talk about it like it's this way or no way. If you aren't making progress at Crossfit (which is very likely, given the way they train), then they will blame it on the fact that you're not eating Paleo properly.

Crossfit is not the best approach for people looking to increase strength, also. It is good for cardio endurance from what I gather. But because it's always switching exercises, it doesn't give you a chance to make much progress. Perfect for people with attention deficit disorder. Looking at the body types of Crossfitters, you also note a lack of muscle compared with people doing weightlifting. This is not my observation alone. I originally heard about it from weightlifters (who tend to know a thing or two about strength training).

There are other criticisms of Crossfit. One I remember in particular from my weightlifting expert friend was that he observed that Crossfit people were not performing the weightlifting exercises correctly. Their form was sloppy and dangerous and would potentially cause injuries, according to him.  The Crossfitters tend to perform weightlifting exercises very rapidly with a high number of repetitions and with lower weight values. Doing it that way does increase the risk of bad form and doesn't do much for increasing strength. Most strength training people instead promote a low number of reps with a higher weight limit for strength training.

But it looks neat. I'm not saying don't try it. Just that you might want to take what they say with a grain of salt. It will likely give you a good aerobic workout and will keep things interesting. I think the fact that it varies exercises so often means you'll also be engaging a lot more of the small, stabilizer muscles that you might not target with a typical weight training workout. It should improve balance, coordination, and speed also. And just ignore the constant Paleo diet propaganda.

- Steve
Not Wes Posted at 2010/03/07 3:44pm reply to

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Doo eet.
I'd rather be doing a group workout, than lifting weights alone like I am currently.
Don't worry, I won't let anyone make you get a caveman meat freezer.
Daiya-Bollich Posted at 2010/03/07 4:37pm reply to

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>Doo eet.
>I'd rather be doing a group workout, than lifting weights alone like I am currently.
>Don't worry, I won't let anyone make you get a caveman meat freezer.

Wes, does that mean you're in? Is this going to be a vegan group? Please, someone, pressure me into doing this.

How long would this last? Until we're fit?
Not Wes Posted at 2010/03/07 4:50pm reply to

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Yeah, a private trainer for about the cost of a gym membership sounds like a good deal to me.

There's no contract, so I assume we will just keep doing it as long a we have at least a dozen people to keep the rate. I don't know, ask BPMojo.

But 1st we need a dozen people! From there we can start an elite vegan ninja squad.
bpmojo Posted at 2010/03/07 4:57pm reply to

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>There's no contract, so I assume we will just keep doing it as long a we have at least a dozen people to keep the rate. I don't know, ask BPMojo.
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>But 1st we need a dozen people! From there we can start an elite vegan ninja squad.

Yes and Yes.
malinda Posted at 2010/03/07 6:16pm reply to

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Which location will the classes be at?
bpmojo Posted at 2010/03/07 7:12pm reply to

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>Which location will the classes be at?

http://www.fitandfearless.com/about/locations/

VeganBrian Posted at 2010/03/08 9:19am reply to

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Crossfit is about building practical strength which is why a bodybuilder focused on bodybuilding won't get out of the program what they seek. It's hard for bodybuilders to swallow their pride and try out new movements at lighter weights. You're going to feel better about your muscled self benching weight than doing kettlebells.  In the crossfit program you're going to be building strength by doing the exercises since they require you to use muscle to move different loads. Yeah you wont be a bodybuilder, but I don't see this mentality brought up on the boards very much anyhow, and that's not what the program is about anyways. And switching up routines forces more muscle adaptation, even bodybuilders switch routines. You know, the dudes in the move 300 were on crossfit workouts for the movie prep...

With all this gym talk I need to get my ass to the gym now!
bpmojo Posted at 2010/03/08 9:31am reply to

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I back everything that VeganBrian said.

Also; we are doing more of a private group class and not their full on regular crossfit program, so I doubt they would try to feed us (pun intended) any paleo bullshit. plus...if your a strong willed person....like...I hope everyone is here...then who gives a fuck..I bet everyone has told you that you need to eat meat, what is the difference from someone who owns a gym?

Kristen Posted at 2010/03/08 11:29am reply to

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i would do this, but I already pay $30 for 24hr fitness, and I go there almost every day. I just don't have $80/month to spend on the gym.

it looks REALLY cool, though.
VeganBrian Posted at 2010/03/08 11:55am reply to

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Ben, there are two locations...
bpmojo Posted at 2010/03/08 11:58am reply to

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>Ben, there are two locations...


http://www.fitandfearless.com/about/locations/

one is called the crossfit training center.- it is in that location.

CrossFit Training Center
4000+ square feet of training space

3804 Woodbury Dr (Just south of the Penn Field Studio)
Austin , TX 78704

...they are 1/4 a mile from each other..


weigand Posted at 2010/03/08 10:04pm reply to

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Weightlifting for strength does build practical strength, and does so more efficiently and more safely than Crossfit does (with a good trainer). Bodybuilding doesn't, but then who's talking about bodybuilding? Bodybuilding and strength training are related, and both types of activities will build muscle, but the bodybuilder is more concerned with appearance, often at the expense of safety and balance. Different goals.

One of the reasons why Crossfit is less efficient at building strength than strength training through weightlifting is that Crossfit doesn't allow for progression. One day you do this, another day you do that, and so on. By the time you come back to the first exercise you did, it's already a few weeks later. Great for people with ADD, but not a very efficient way of progressing.

Another reason is that Crossfit's approach to strength training is, well, wrong (sorry to be so blunt). It greatly increases the number of reps while also greatly reducing the weight load and repeating the exercise rapidly until exhaustion. In weightlifting, that's considered a rookie mistake. You end up spinning your wheels going nowhere that way. You might gain strength up until a certain point, but just about any resistance-based exercise can do that. The real trick is going beyond your limit to make continued progress.

Cardio endurance, though? Crossfit looks pretty good at that. It does a lot with high intensity interval training from what I gather. That's the thing that's going to give you the most bang for your buck as far as cardio endurance is concerned.

Anyway, when you guys do this program, you should write up something about it. I'm especially interested in hearing what they think of vegans and not being "Paleo".

- Steve
VeganBrian Posted at 2010/03/09 1:01am reply to

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I guess by practical I was thinking more useful than lifting furniture or whatever. Crossfit techniques are pretty popular (not to say weight assisted strength training isn't) among military and law enforcement. The ability to subdue a suspect is going to be advanced by crossfit training such as grappling and groundwork more so than a five day weight training program at the gym.

I see these folks lifting kettlebells (they work for Mike Mahler), barbells (with weights on them!) and all sorts of objects including their bodies. And as far as strength. If you were not able to do 5 pushups but at the end of some training period can do 15 you've gained strength, I believe crossfit goes far beyond pushups so folks going into this are going to get stronger.

And I think you should be working to failure or at least attempting it in your training or you're not training hard enough, but that might be some macho B.S.
bpmojo Posted at 2010/03/09 9:35am reply to

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Well regardless...how about "who wants to be a FIT vegan"?

weigand Posted at 2010/03/09 5:27pm reply to

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Not Wes Posted at 2010/03/09 6:36pm reply to

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Oh, weiggy.
weigand Posted at 2010/03/09 10:50pm reply to

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>Oh, weiggy.

Yeah, I know. I think too hard about stuff. Hehe.

So here's a cool video to cheer you up...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMoWt0wnlUw&feature=player_embedded#

happy

- Steve
Kristen Posted at 2010/03/10 1:43pm reply to

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i hope that video has kittens in it.
Craig? Posted at 2010/03/10 3:02pm reply to

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he he.  that trollolololo guy will NEVER get old.
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