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Kristen Posted at 2009/04/12 1:20pm reply to

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awesome, thanks a lot!!
Phsst Posted at 2009/04/19 12:11pm reply to

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I just ate here yesterday and the atmosphere is really exciting. I love the natural soda fountain. I felt like a little kid wanting to test them all out. Only when I ordered my veggie patty I told the woman at the register I wanted it vegan and thought that would imply no mayo. When I got my burger it had the vegan sticker on it, but also had mayo in the burger.  I had already left the place so I didn't go back to inquire about it. Could it be vegan mayo..? Or just a staff error.

The fries were delicious either way.
Kristen Posted at 2009/04/20 11:14pm reply to

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probably just an error, but they should TOTALLY have veganaise if they dont already. i mean, wheatsville is RIGHT there.
ahhhlookout Posted at 2009/04/22 3:04pm reply to

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They use vegenaise there.
Ross Posted at 2009/04/22 3:12pm reply to

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>They use vegenaise there.

sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
carrie Posted at 2009/04/23 6:51pm reply to

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I'm going to have to try this place stat. I would say we should have a meetup there, but would some people feel weird about having a meetup at a particularly meat-focused establishment? I suppose any non-veg restaurant is pretty meat focused... What do you guys think?
Kristen Posted at 2009/04/23 7:35pm reply to

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hell yeahhhhhhhh
jen Posted at 2009/04/23 11:09pm reply to

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i'm in!  i really wanna try this place!

Diana Posted at 2009/04/23 11:46pm reply to

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Interesting (to me anyway) that I'm not nearly as hardcore as many of you, I've only been vegan for about a year and I don't see myself ever setting foot in that place and I work 4 blocks from there. Maybe it's the word "burger" in the title or the greenwashing that Matt was talking about but this is one of those places, like an omnivore confessional, that assuages the guilt of meat-eating environmentalists. When they started building the place I predicted they would have no vegan options since the whole enterprise is built around "green" burgers, the kind of place where a flexitarian would eat red meat when he would eat it nowhere else. Perhaps you could say similar things about the business model of Chipotle, where I eat every week and they advertise the humane standards around their meat and dairy.
In this case though I will respect my vegan elders (Amber, Gabriel, Carrie etc.) and figure that maybe I'm just too new of a vegan to get it or that I'll mellow with time and think places like this are alright since they're trying to offer vegan options. In any case I appreciate Cameron for actually coming on our boards and telling us what's what. All the restaurants that have been where TerraBurger is now have been short-lived establishments; they need to reach out to as many people as possible.
jen Posted at 2009/04/24 9:19am reply to

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eh, i mean it's like everywhere else.  i want to eat vegan food, they have a vegan burger, i'm going to eat it.  if i like i'll go back if i don't i won't. i try to make veganism simple, because if you don't you'll quit (at least i probably would).  i'm against the unethical treatment of animals.  i spend my money on vegan goods.  whether at terra burger, titaya's, even mr. natural and mothers who serve cheese and dairy my money is going to an industry i am against...so i concentrate on the fact that i am purchasing their vegan items.

as for the greenwashing aspect of the store...well..at least they're trying.  isn't it probably better to eat at a place using partially recycled products than to go somewhere like curry in a hurry or koreana where they package their products in styrofoam?  if you avoid terra burger, you should then probably avoid whole foods and wheatsville too...
carrie Posted at 2009/04/24 11:19am reply to

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If a big group of vegans come to Terra Burger then they might be influenced to eventually expand their vegan options. I second what Jen says. In the past I wouldn't give any of my money to corporations, period. I didn't go to Chipotle. I didn't buy brand new clothes. Zilch. All from a general anti-capitalist point of view. This was all before I was rehired at Starbucks five years ago. Once I started working there again things changed. Mostly I tired of living my life focused so much on the negative. Full of, "I won't do this" etc. I've loosened up ten fold and would actually like to return to some of my old ways. I still won't shop at Wal-Mart. But I could probably stand to quit buying paper towels, napkins, and tissues (I used to never buy them). But I'll probably keep using the dishwasher (I didn't used to). I probably won't quit Net Flix (my younger self would be appalled at my Net Flix subscription). Balance? Sorry for the off topic rant. I guess if I was truly sorry I would delete what I've just written and spare you from my frivolous self reflection. Hmm. I won't though.
John Posted at 2009/04/24 12:23pm reply to

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i don't see much difference in going to terra burger and going to whole foods. as much as i hate the idea of people thinking it's ok to eat meat becuase it's free-range, organic, etc. in most cases progress requires a slow transition. that doesn't mean i won't pitch a big fit over these companies selling/serving meat and presenting a no-compromise attitude about it. over the last 15+ years that i've been vegan i've witnessed this slow transition towards a more vegan-friendly world. what i mean to say is that veganism is much more accessible today than when i first went vegan in regards to products and options available. it would be nice if everyone on earth converted to veganism overnight. i won't hold my breath for terra burger to make that transition but i don't have a problem with taking advantage of their vegan offerings in the meantime.
Diana Posted at 2009/04/24 12:54pm reply to

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I guess what I perceive as the difference is that TerraBurger almost exclusively sells burgers whereas places like Whole Foods, Wheatsville etc. sell lots of things other than happy meat including cruelty free products. TerraBurger is meat centered. If the salt lick offered a vegan option I probably wouldn't go there either. But I totally agree, very fine line between someplace like TerraBurger and whole foods.

Carrie, I liked your rant.

Jen, I'm not really an environmentalist. I used to fret over stuff like styrofoam and other stuff that doesn't biodegrade but a) most stuff doesn't degrade in landfills very well and b) I figure the forces of the economy will force a change when it becomes more economically feasible to recycle than to throw things away. I'm a teensy bit libertarian in that way.
ahhhlookout Posted at 2009/04/24 1:56pm reply to

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I suppose I never boycotted meat based places because I became vegan/vegetarian in a different time.  There were times in the early days when places WOULDN'T serve you vegetarian options.  i.e. I remember being homeless and traveling and a Burger King [only option where I was] would not serve me a veggie whopper because they said it would mess with their inventory, they said I had to take the meat patty and I could just pull it off [gross!].  I could probably think of a hundred stories like that one.  But the veg*n lifestyle was not as prevalent as today.  

In 2009, almost everywhere has a veg*n option. So you have the luxury of saying you refuse to eat/shop somewhere.  I think differentiating between Terra Burger and Whole Foods is kind of arbitrary.  To say that Terra Burger is promoting a person to, who would not normally, eat red meat but Whole Foods isn't because they have  cruelty free products is silly.  Whole Foods has a large meat market, a burger stand, a fish market, etc etc etc.  And a lot of "Organic" and "Free Range" meat options...  I think that is in the same vein as what Terra Burger is offering.

When I first read about Terra Burger, I was excited because I was sure anywhere that promoted "Organic" is USUALLY going to have a veg*n option.  And it is good.

To me, I am almost 99.9999% certain I will live in an omnivore society as long as I can't build that autonomous tree village I have always dreamed of.  So to me, I like to support any business that accommodates "my people".  
jen Posted at 2009/04/24 3:30pm reply to

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i would have to say whole foods is most certainly meat based and what's not meat has dairy except for maybe about 5%, at most, of their inventory, not counting produce because every grocery store has vegan produce(disclaimer - my 5% number is just a guess based on observations..i have no proof except for the fact i shop there a lot).  

as far as the environmentalism part, yes, even biodegradable things don't degrade in oxygen deficient landfills; however, terra burger is offering packaging with a certain percentage of recyclable materials which means they are keeping trash away from going into a landfill in the first place.  i didn't go vegan for environmental reasons, but i can't help but prefer a place using recyclable materials than not.  also, since greenwashing was part of your original reason for not going to terra burger, i think their efforts are something to think about.

on a happy note, my god have we got more options today!  we have decent cheese now!  i was in the ok city airport the other day and they had chomp cookies and these vegan french twists made by a company called barry's bakery.  i was so happy!  things have changed SO much since I became vegan.  I was just thinking about this the other day since i'm needing new steal toed work boots and 9 years ago there was only one website that had them and they were in england! i had to pay double what my work would reimburse to get british workboots. now there are so many websites i can order vegan workboots from and purchase in american dollars!
Kristen Posted at 2009/04/26 4:27am reply to

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went to terraburger tonight. i love that they have veganaise, and the wheat bun is really tasty. BUT, i didnt really like the veggie patty. I know is AMY's brand, but I just wasnt into it. the patty also fell apart while i was eating it. wahhh! i like the vegan burgers at kerbey lane and hut's much better. I would be willing to reconsider if terraburger ever made an inhouse veggie patty of their own (would be much cooler, too!)... but yeah. good fries, i loved the soda fountain (with cane sugar sodas instead of corn syrup)... and i did like how this place seems to be making an honest effort at all that eco friendly jazz (minus the meat controversy).

one suggestion: get some vegan cheese for those burgers! happy

i would certainly stop by for a vegan shake if they started those!
mattabo71 Posted at 2009/04/27 1:45pm reply to

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You all make good points - and I have no problem with anyone who chooses to eat there. I do think it's great that they are using recycled packaging.
The reason why I won't give them my money is simply b/c I feel like they are lying to me, and they hope that I'm too dumb to catch it. Yes, one could argue that this is the basis of all advertising, but this seems not only a particularly blatant case, but also one that offends on a personal level b/c environmental issues were, in fact, the main reason why I went veg over 20 years ago.

Why is this worse than Wheatsville or whole-foods?

Hamburgers are not environmentally friendly, period.

So to build a business on nothing but their premise is dishonest in the extreme. The grocery stores offer options: some good, some bad, some horrible - many of those options are sold with false advertising, but some products actually deliver on their claims. That doesn't make the grocery stores blameless, but it gives the consumer at least a little bit of credit.
jen Posted at 2009/04/27 2:50pm reply to

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i still don't get the argument here though.  i mean, whole foods and wheatsville appear to me to be built around the same premise of environmentally friendly food, and whole foods and wheatsville have more than just hamburger... they have fish, chicken, pork, and exotic stuff beyond what i even know about and they put honey (whole foods does) on some of their premade tofu deli stuff which annoys the hell out of me!  i still haven't been to terra burger, but from what i could tell, their hamburger is probably equivalent to whole foods and wheatsville's hamburger.  

i love whole foods and wheatsville for what they do have for me as a vegan, and if terra burger has a vegan burger on vegan bread with vegan mayo then weeeeee!!!!!!  so, i don't want to give the impression that i hate whole foods or wheatsville, i'm just saying they're no better than terra.

i'm totally cool with people not wanting to eat at terra burger, but i just think it's the same as other places and i would expect those boycotting terra burger to also boycott elsewhere, which i would totally respect.

i do somewhat get avoiding one and not the other since i don't shop and walmart but do shop of equally evil stores, but then i totally admit that the stores i shop at are just as evil, but i have picked one to boycott, even though that probably makes no sense, so i'll stop now :-)

Kristen Posted at 2009/04/27 4:07pm reply to

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i dont see how you could separate wheatsville and terraburger. they both come off as enviromentally friendly in ways (arent we kind of conditioned to think that when we hear the word "co-op"?)... and they both sell meat. they also both have vegan options. if you dont buy from terraburger, there should be no way you can justify buying from wheatsville or wholefoods.

i 100% agree with jens post... even about the walmart thing. (i do that, too... angry )
bpmojo Posted at 2009/05/26 1:00pm reply to

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