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John Posted at 2005/05/21 7:12pm reply to

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alex jones will be presenting his new film, 9-11: Martial Law and the Rise of the Police State. i'll be going to this and i would encourage everyone to join me. you can purchase tickets online here:

http://www.originalalamo.com/online_tix/show_details.asp?show_id=2651

you should purchase your tickets soon as this event will most likely sell out.

w00t!
John Posted at 2005/05/21 7:14pm reply to

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ok, i didn't realize that links weren't active on this message board. i'm going to attempt to link up my link : )

purchase tickets here
Ross Posted at 2005/05/22 10:10am reply to

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>ok, i didn't realize that links weren't active on this message board. i'm going to attempt to link up my link : )
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>purchase tickets here

alright, i got my ticket.
John Posted at 2005/06/02 5:04pm reply to

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ok, i don't think there are many tickets left for this so if you're interested in going you should buy your tickets soon. it sounds like several of us are going so it should be a good crowd. for more info and a trailer CLICK HERE.
simon Posted at 2005/06/02 11:18pm reply to

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I bought tickets for the wednesday show at alamo south. you do know that what alex jones talks about and makes films about may converge with what you believe, but that his position is basically right libertarian, fundamental christian, anti-(non-white)immigration.... just a heads up from a mate of mine tonight when i mentioned that i was going to see martial law....
John Posted at 2005/06/03 12:30am reply to

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i've been listening to alex for several years. just to give you my analysis of him  regarding the things you mention.

he claims not to be a libertarian but a "constitutionalist". that is probably a pretty amorphous term but he strongly disagrees with libertarians on several issues including abortion and immigration. maybe "right" libertarian is appropriate but he would never say that he is on the "right" as he doesn't believe in the whole left-right thing. one thing that alex is always talking about is "breaking out of the phony left-right paradigm" which i'm 100% with him on.

he's definitely christian but i wouldn't say that he's fundamentalist, at least not in the same way that pat robertson would be. for what it's worth, i know that he does not go to church. he certainly falls into the "patriot" christian movement and from time to time he does get religious on his radio show but i've never heard him do this in any other forum, maybe on his access show but i think he keeps that show pretty secular.

i've never understood AJ to be anti-immigration against non-whites, and i'm not sure i would say that he's anti-immigration at all. i know that he is anti-illegal immigration but he makes his position clear that he would hold this standard to any ethnic group. i've never perceived AJ to be racist in any way but i'm always looking for dirt on the guy so if you've got it i'm interested.

for the record, i disagree with alex on several issues such as abortion. i totally disagree with his religious views. i can't stand the fact that, in the past, he's advocated the john birch society although recently he's been scrutinizing them. for the most part, i'm with him when it comes to immigration but this is a complex issue that requires much discussion for me to get my point across. i agree with about 90% of his commentary and i try to take an objective approach to it. he does have an ego, he can be unreasonable, he can be very difficult to take. however, where others avoid certain topics, alex dives right in and he does a fair job of analyzing the news. after all, he predicted 9-11 in june of 2001 to the detail that they were going to use osama bin-laden as a patsy to attack new york. there aren't many others out there exposing the truth about 9-11 to the level of what alex is doing but if there were, i'd be listening to them too.

the good thing about this appearance is that if anyone wants to call him on his BS, they'll have the opportunity to do so. i'm just looking forward to getting everyone's reaction to the film.
simon Posted at 2005/06/03 4:08pm reply to

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I guess we'll see if anyone challenges him on Wednesday.....

He's definitely guilty of spreading fear amongst us - using the new world order and the police state - in the same way that the government has done using terrorism and the patriot act. Usually that sort of thing has an agenda behind it....
Ross Posted at 2005/06/03 4:54pm reply to

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maybe it's a good thing that fear is spreading amongst us...
John Posted at 2005/06/03 5:12pm reply to

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i would just say that the difference is that the government spreads fear though lies and false realities while alex is doing it through exposing truths(at least for the most part). i believe that i've heard alex more advocate that people have courage rather than be afraid but maybe this is just a matter of looking at the glass being half full than half empty. i certainly wouldn't describe myself as being afraid but i am on guard and if alex is right only 10% of the time, we all should be.
John Posted at 2005/06/08 9:15am reply to

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for those going tonight, i'll be getting there at or before 7:30. this show is sold out so it's a good idea to get there as early as possible. i'm going to try to stop by that ingrid newkirk thing at bookpeople beforehand as well if anyone want's to join me for that. i should be at bookpeople around 6:30.
simon Posted at 2005/06/10 3:16pm reply to

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an intertesting experience. There was a lot to discuss and i'm sure Callie will add what I missed here. Our overall impression was that we agreed with a lot of what was shown in the film, in particular the discrepancies of 9-11 that have never fully been explained or even discussed. Which is strange because the media usually analyses and picks apart all available information. Such as:

Why were high ranking government and military officials advised to stop travelling by air in the days prior to 9/11/01?

Why was NORAD, the agency that protects our skies from attack and should have detected the planes, stood down on 9/11/01 for the first time since it was established in the 1940's?

Why have countless government officials including the president say that they could concieve of this kind of attack, when they were briefed of the possibility months before by the CIA and on 9/11/01 a safety exercise using the military and faa was planned simulating hijacked planes flying into buildings. This was not the first time this kind of exercise was carried out.

Why did the joint chiefs of staff cancel an important meeting at the Pentagon on 9/11/01?

Why did the twin towers collapse in a way that would indicate explosive demolition. Seismic readings in NYC from 9/11/01 show 'spurs at the time of the collapse of the towers and building 7 which indicate explosions.

Building 7 was the furthest away from the twin towers in the WTC complex, yet it burned and collapsed. Early news reports mentioned it was demolished by the fire department and this seems to be held up by the pattern of collapse seen on video.

Firefighter audio tapes from the twin towers just prior to collapse indicate that the fires were under control. Some firefighters recall hearing explosions prior to the collapses. Almost all firefighter audio tapes from 9/11/01 have been lost or damaged?

It takes thousands of degrees of heat to melt steel, the supposed cause of the towers' collapse. If the fires were so hot, how is it possible that people who were trapped were seen standing in the holes made by the planes prior to the towers collapsing? A skyscraper in Spain caught fire this year and burned for days without any signs of structural collapse.

There's more, i forget. maybe Callie can remember. Call it conspiracy theory of not, there are very few facts we know about these events and these are questions left unasked by the media and unanswered by the 9-11 commission report....

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With the movie overall, I felt uneasy with Alex Jones' narration and interview techniques which were often leading and manipulative. There were occasions where personal opinion or  eneralisations took the place of fact and were later used to support other arguments. Evidence to back up his claims was sometimes vague and his disclaimer is "you don't believe me, check it out yourself". Good advice, but how many people will just accept it as truth without checking. I'd like to see this film again...

He condemns Kerry and Bush roundly; that they are both beholden to the same corporate interests, pointing out that they were contemporaries at yale and both members of the illuminati affiliated club, skull and bones (neither deny this). There was also a lot of new world order and nazi speculation involving major government figures, their parents, arnold schwartzenegger and their lack of genuine christianity. Again more secret clubs such as Bohemian Grove in CA.

The militarization of the police was also covered in length.

Overall, his message, backed up by a fiery and verbally violent Q&A (reminiscent of a fundamental preacher who holds the only truth), was that we don't and shouldn't have to take this kind of duplicity and control from our government and that was not what our founding fathers wrote into the constitution. That we need to be strong, independent of the federal government, get out on the streets and protest this, know our rights so we win our encounters with the police and eventually we can remove these people. There was however, no discussion of after - since both parties and the system we have now is corrupt, who/what or what would fill the vacuum. Natural law? Theocracy? Leadership by whoever has the most guns? That for me is his hidden agenda.  
  




Ross Posted at 2005/06/10 4:03pm reply to

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where were you guys sitting? we were in the very back row and we couldn't find you guys
John Posted at 2005/06/10 4:40pm reply to

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yeah, we were looking for you. anyway, nice analysis.

i've been listening to alex for several years now. prior to 9-11 i thought he was a wacko, then i woke up after it was clear we were being lied to in the aftermath of 9-11. the bottom line for me is that there is clearly a cover-up going on with 9-11 as there are with many events that have happened throughout history. i think alex is 99% right about 9-11 and pretty much on target about the globalist/new world order agenda. i've been tuning into him long enough to see through his BS as well. there are plenty of people out there exposing these things but alex is one of the loudest. i like alex's analysis because it counters a lot of the commentary that i get from other sources. it's good to get a different perspective, especially one that is so removed from the mainstream.
simon Posted at 2005/06/11 3:38pm reply to

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>yeah, we were looking for you. anyway, nice analysis.
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we were in the back row too. seriously. we were late so we were sitting in the aisle on the left, then this dude sitting with 4 reserved seats in the middle of the back row invited us to sit there. I can't believe we missed y'all....

Ross Posted at 2005/06/11 10:57pm reply to

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hahaha awww man that sucks hard!! we were in the back right, at least from the point of view looking at the screen. at the very end of the row.

balls.
Jacob Posted at 2005/06/12 10:40am reply to

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fallafel balls
geoff Posted at 2005/08/10 9:40am reply to

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eh, I'm not quite so up on everything alex jones has to say, but if I recall, his musings on feminism and homosexuality aren't particularly enlightened. It seemed like he considered homosexuality the product of a weak society, and feminism a subversion of all things good and manly. :/

I spent some time on his website and really got spooked by what I read - not the 9/11 or NWO stuff really, but some of the links were downright homophobic and anti-women.

I guess I'm not sure if this is representative of Alex Jones himself - just some of the stuff I found on his unnecessarily-difficult-to-navigate website.

Hrm.
John Posted at 2005/08/10 1:22pm reply to

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alex consideres himself a conservative. he takes the conventional "christian" view of homosexuality which many would consider "homophobic" but i wouldn't characterize AJ as "hateful" towards homosexuals. he's also anti-choice. i disagree with AJ on all these issues. fortunately you'll never hear him bring these issues up in a public forum because he knows to focus on more common ground issues that more people are open to. it's rare that he brings these issues up on his radio show but he does speak on them at times and i cringe each time.

it wouldn't surprise me to hear AJ say that he is anti-feminist but i wouldn't necessarily read that as a bad thing. i think that movement has been co-opted for establisment political purposes. that's not to say that i agree with AJ on the role of women in society, etc. just that the mainstream feminist movement has lost it's focus.

the film at the drafthouse dealt with 9-11 and how the US government was behind the attacks, loss of freedom and the rise of a modern facist police state. it stayed away from such issues as abortion, gay rights, and feminism. while AJ has his shortcomings, he's one of the few people out there exposing the facts about 9-11. he's certainly the loudest. if you can tolerate AJ's over-the-top delivery, i highly recommend the film.
geoff Posted at 2005/08/10 9:32pm reply to

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yeah, I agree with the idea that just because you believe something a little 'out there' that doesn't mean that you aren't right on about other things. For example, veganism is considered pretty extreme by most people...

I wonder what Mr. Jones would say about meat and dairy production. It seems like if you take the effects of meat production to their logical conclusion, there is some pretty disasterous consequences on health and the environment. And the vast majority of it is subsidized by the government and such.

I have no big, stinking qualms with Jones. I don't really agree with him, but that's fine. He's out there trying to uncover and expose the truth in an otherwise murkey area (the intersection between government, politics and business), and that's alright with me. happy
John Posted at 2005/08/10 11:47pm reply to

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word. as an avid listener i've heard alex talk plenty on food. mostly around GMO, but he has advocated a mostly organic vegetable based diet as well, although i know he's far from vegetarian. he exposes a lot of the truth around GMO foods and pesticides. if you tune in you'll hear him go off on monsanto among other big agri companies. he will sometimes have CEOs from such companies on as guests and just tears through them, it's quite interesting.
simon Posted at 2005/08/12 8:37pm reply to

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you know what's funny, the christians i grew up around in england, mainly pretestants, anglicans, some methodists but mainly church of england, never felt the need to petition government to outlaw aspects of it. I'm not saying they were all pro-homosexuality, but at the same they believed in tolerance, something that seems to be lacking in the christian right here. perhaps this is something to do with new directions or getting back to family values or purity of the religion or whatever. historically religion has usually reacted adversely to changes in society society - the printing press, martin luther, slavery, feminism and now, homosexuality.

What we non-christians (or non practicing or non-fundamental) need to do is read some bible and remember it, cos those fundamentals take it literally and they're contradicting it and themselves, wer'e just unable to call them on it.

Let me just quote some leviticus, a favorite of the anti-gay lobby"


Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 18:22

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Other abominations include:

And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

Leviticus 11:10

6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. 7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. 8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.

Leviticus 11:6-8

19 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

26 Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times.  27 Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.  28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

Leviticus 19

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this is from the king james bible and let's not even start talking about how poor a translation this is from the original hebrew or aramaic texts.
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