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kimchee | Posted at 2007/04/26 11:28pm reply to |
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anybody tried this? Fiesta has it in a gallon jug for about $2.50, i can't remember exactly but it was ridiculously cheap. there are sweetened and plain versions. i'm so curious, yet too broke to take a gamble. |
Ross | Posted at 2007/04/27 11:35am reply to |
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is that the asian-brand soymilk? i know i've gotten a jug of asian soymilk before and i just couldn't down it. it was too beany for me |
kimchee | Posted at 2007/04/27 1:56pm reply to |
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that's probably the one. thanks for the feedback. they make good tofu but i was kinda scurrrred just by looking at the milk. |
Cristen | Posted at 2007/04/27 8:32pm reply to |
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I bought it once because I was so thrilled it was that cheap. It is really thick and beany and it goes bad a day or two after you open it. |
kimchee | Posted at 2007/04/28 1:28pm reply to |
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ewwwww, gross! i have soymilk makers on my ebay watch list but the price always goes beyond my reach. someday... |
Ross | Posted at 2007/04/28 2:15pm reply to |
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well in that case- let me warn you ![]() making soymilk on your own, it always tastes beany. so it tastes more like asian/european soymilk than american. brands like silk, heb, and whole foods sort of decimate the beans in the process and kill the beany flavor with things like carageenan. so i can't drink the soymilk i make at home straight, it's ok if i add cocoa to make it chocolate, but it just doesn't seem to digest well with me. |
kimchee | Posted at 2007/04/28 10:06pm reply to |
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ohhh really? *modifies ebay watch list* i seem to remember you promoting the heck out of how much better homemade soymilk was than store-bought, but what's the point if it makes you sickish? i love unsweetened silk, it's the only brand i've ever enjoyed drinking straight up, and carageenan aside, it's a delicious vegan food. i'm stickin with it. |
Ross | Posted at 2007/04/28 11:19pm reply to |
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i probably was promoting making nut milks like almond milk and cashew milk. i use my soymilkmaker to: makes soymilk for making tofu, and making milks from other things. so if you want to do any of those things, definitely go for it ![]() |
Cristen | Posted at 2007/05/01 8:39pm reply to |
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How much are soymilk makers? Any particular one you recommend? I want one! |
Jacob | Posted at 2007/05/01 9:27pm reply to |
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Personally, I prefer the "beany" soymilks, though I've never been to asia or europe so I don't know about those. I'd rather just have soymilk and water than soymilk, water, seaweed, cane syrup, preservatives, etc. Speaking of carrageenan, does anyone know if fish are killed in the harvesting process like nori? or did anyone find if that was actually true about nori? Also, I think carrageenan is probably worse for your body than not having it: gastro-intestinal cancer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrageenan intestinal discomfort: http://www.notmilk.com/carageenan.html |
jen | Posted at 2007/05/01 10:27pm reply to |
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the topic of carrageenan is definitely pretty interesting. it seems as though dr. tobacman's study is the only study that has shown carrageenan to be harmful. although not giving an opionion, the wikipedia site jacob posted points out that poligeenan (the harmful degradation product of carrageenan) was not detected in the food samples analyzed, but also notes the detection limit was 5% and therefore anything less than 5% would not be detected..i.e. a food sample could have 3% poligeenan and the analysis would not pick this up (if i'm reading this right..it's late). Also, it seems as though these samples were tested prior to being digested in one's gut where i suppose it is likely the carageenan would continue to degrade (don't quote me on that..just seems like it might). i also read the article jacob posted from robert cohen's "not milk" website. i have to say after meeting cohen when he spoke at penn state at a conference we held, he is definitely a salesman. i do think he has a lot of good things to say...but he's also not always 100% accurate in a michael moore kind of way. so..that being said, i wouldn't stop consuming carageenan products based soley on cohen's article. i think i might try some tests of my own and see if i feel a difference after eating/drinking products with and without carageenan. i know sometimes i do feel a weird "full" feeling in my stomach after eating and i'm wondering if this could be due to products with carageenan? has anyone specifically noticed a bad feeling after consuming silk milk or other carageenan products? p.s. did anyone catch the section in wikipedia that said carageenan could prevent the HIV and genital warts. maybe instead of drinking silk we should pour it on our honey pots ![]() |
Ross | Posted at 2007/05/01 10:51pm reply to |
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jen- i definitely get a weird feeling in my stomach sometimes after drinking straight soymilk...but i'm not sure if it's because i have digestive issues with it or if it's the carageenan, because i also don't feel that great after drinking the asian brands without carageenan. i got my soymilk maker for about 60 bucks on ebay used. you usually can get one for around 90-100 bucks new i think. mine's the soyajoy soymilkmaker. i would look for some reviews online to find what a good brand is. mine works great for me, but it takes a little elbow grease to clean/maintain. there are probably more user-friendly makers. |
Jacob | Posted at 2007/05/02 1:26pm reply to |
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Ross, when you say "the asian brands" which ones are you talking about? Imported soy milk? It might be that the brands you are buying are using GMO soymilks and other crap. You should try some organic soymilk where the only ingredients are soybeans and water (sometimes salt as well). |
jen | Posted at 2007/05/02 9:32pm reply to |
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so i just pulled out my silk chocolate light and i don't see carageenan in the ingredients. does it fall under "natural flavors" or something? i do see xanthan gum...maybe they've made the change? |
Jacob | Posted at 2007/05/02 10:51pm reply to |
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>so i just pulled out my silk chocolate light and i don't see carageenan in the ingredients. does it fall under "natural flavors" or something? i do see xanthan gum...maybe they've made the change? It wouldn't be under the "natural flavors" umbrella. I'm not sure if they've switched to xanthan gum for everything, but I'm glad they aren't using carageenan in their chocolate light flavor... though I would never drink that anyways lol. Also, thanks for your insight on your earlier post Jen. I'm hoping that it's not as bad as some people make it out to be. Though it definatly is not natural and shouldn't be in stuff that is labeled as "natural". |
Ross | Posted at 2007/05/03 7:38am reply to |
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"A spokesman for the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) says there are two kinds of carrageenan -- undegraded and degraded. Undegraded carrageenan is what has been approved by the FDA for use in food. Degraded carrageenan has changed into a different substance and really isn't carrageenan anymore, says the spokesperson, and that is often what's been used in research studies." http://www.annieappleseedproject.org/carandcolcan.html |
jen | Posted at 2007/05/03 1:47pm reply to |
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yep, the degraded form of carageenan is the poligeenans discussed in wikipedia. degraded form is another way to say breakdown product, i.e. carageenan breaks down into poligeenans. i do not think it has been determined yet whether or not carageenan molecules have the ability to break down in our stomachs into poligeenans. our stomach is really acidic, and so it seems feasible to me but i'm sure there are other factors besides acidity which determine the degradation of carageenan. i guess i'm just going to use caution. not give it up, but also if i can, buy something else. btw, the chocolate silk light is really pretty good. sometimes when i need something chocolately (like last night) it really cures that craving. |
Jacob | Posted at 2007/05/03 3:41pm reply to |
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For somethings, it's hard for us to tell just how bad it is until we have a large, unbiased study. No one though6 melamine was as toxic as it was until it started killing everyone's pets. Jen, for the chocolate cravings, have you tried the new Maya bars from Lara bars? They're pretty good, 100% organic, and 90% rawesome. ![]() |
jen | Posted at 2007/05/04 9:51am reply to |
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i will have to try those. i need as many chocolate fixes as i can find! on the topic of food in the form of bars i saw odwalla has one with a good dosage of vegan omega-3. they tase pretty good...just don't leave the empty wrapper in your car on a hot day. my car stunk! |
as1findr3am | Posted at 2008/01/05 9:25am reply to |
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I'm half chinese so Banyan milk and tofu was in the fridge growing up. I do like the tofu, and I eat a lot of it because it's 89 cents at the asian market near 183 and ohlen, but the milk.... I'm not to fond of. I've never liked soy milk before silk or 8th continent. |
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